The Zeitgeist Movie/Movement: HMMMMMMMMMMM

[Willie]

Have you seen this movie yet? http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/ (Make sure you watch the addendum part) It reminded me of Adolphus Huxley's "A Brave New World." In an audio review of Orwell's 1984, Huxley refers to the "scientific dictatorship." (Or was it Orwell reviewing Huxley?) The movie illustrates the dictatorship with a sugar coating. (I'm wondering wether subliminal messages or other brainwashing techinques were used in this film) The ideas the zeitgeists put forth are presented in an attractive manner, but this is NOT the direction I want our world to take.

As an aside, I'll point out that I consider myself agnostic or non-theist so I'm not worried about the zeitgeists stealing my God away. I also agree with the zeitgeist/Venus project in regards to 9/11 and the Federal Reserve/fractional reserve banking. But as soon as they start talking about YOUR ideology being the "most logical" and plans to restructure society according to those beliefs, I hear alarms and whistles. Zeitgeists believe in reconditioning society to see the world as they see it. What's the plan to deal with those who don't agree with the zeitgeists, or the unconditionable? So go ahead and subscribe to the zeitgeist logic if you wish. You can believe that I'm intellectually inferior and therefore can't see the "light" if that helps.

[Ken]

no one ever said you were inferior, it presents us with an option to take

but that's the point of science and logic though, to have differing opinions, tests made (in this case a trial and error on a different type of society), and eventually we may all come to a conclusion on what to do that benefits everyone. it IS a logical approach to the matter but not necessarily a final one that society has to choose. the system today only benefits a few over the labor of many and zeitgeist is only saying, "Hey. Shit for the last century hasn't worked. Here are some new ideas."

of course people aren't going to agree with everything. even for me it seems that some things are so distant because we're not used to the idea. i'm not going to agree with it 100%. i wouldn't expect anyone to.

to look at it in a negative manner wouldn't help the current situation now. politicians are dirty. banking systems need revamping, and washington is just a haven for scum. I'm saying if you don't attempt to try to make things better then will they ever become so?

you said, "this is NOT the direction I want our world to take"
and i don't want this to be presented as a condescending question but rather just another opinion to consider - what is the direction you wish to take?

[Willie]

Hi Ken. Thanks for your response. I have to agree that the ideas expressed are actually quite brilliant. The ideology could be summed up by John Lennon’s “Imagine.” Unfortunately, if ideology were a round peg, reality would be a square hole. The two don’t fit. Humans by nature are greedy and corrupt, or not. That’s the beauty; we have a choice to make. My fear is that these folks are a bit more determined to put their ideas in practice regardless of how anyone feels. When times of great crisis emerge, radical solutions emerge as well. Often, the crisis is falsified in order to push through a radical “solution.” You asked what direction I wish to take. My concern is the preservation of the constitution that I swore to defend from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Many of the ideas expressed by the zeitgeist movie challenge the very existence of that document and our national sovereignty. I realize these are tough times but our complacency is to blame. We need to take control of our finances out of the central banks and restore it to congress, as the constitution demands. The FED shareholders should have their assets seized and returned to the Treasury. We need to cancel any free trade agreement with any nation that doesn’t pay a fair wage against American workers. We need to increase production of American goods and back off the “service economy.” If we could just make half the shit we buy at Wal-Mart, we’d be headed in the right direction. The direction has already been provided. Unfortunately, the system was hijacked before we were born. Corruption can infiltrate the most carefully thought out systems. Fortunately, our system promotes free thought and expression. Even though things are changing, I can be reasonably sure that a secret police organization won’t kick in my door while I’m sleeping just because of something I wrote online. The zeitgeist solution requires a nation (or world) of like-minded people. It would require the reconditioning of culture. There would be no manual labor because machines would be catering to our every whim. Unhealthy food would not be produced. Transportation would operate itself. Life would be simple. Chat online, eat, fuck, and sleep. Why exist then? I build furniture and I like it. I don’t want that to be replaced by machines. I like eating unhealthy shit and using substances the government says I can’t have. I like to drive fast. Essentially, my philosophy is that I cause as little impact as possible to my world, so leave me alone. (Although I can understand speeding tickets if I’m endangering lives.) I realize that in theory the world might be a better place if we all lived under rigid rule and control. But then who gets to make the rules and what happens when they become corrupt? I think we have it better now. Remember, “these are the good old days

[Willie]

One more thing: I realize I'm not the greatest writer in the world and I think this site says what I'm trying to say a bit better than I could. http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowheretorun/why_the_new_world_order_n...

[Izzie Bean]

Ugh.. ya.. disinformation age. There are little stories that will surface about once a week, once a month that get the Internet blogs buzzing. The first few times it's easy to get sucked into the storyline, do tons of reading/researching... only to realize that there isn't much of a story.. or the whole thing was just false. It's easy then to become lazy and not study any new big story. I often think, "I'll wait a few days and then read the blogs with their updated information (or disinformation?)".

If our gov't is so corrupt as to hold secret daily white house meetings to brief 'experts' routinely shown on the media as Scott McClellan has testified to, then yes.. I do believe that there are people who create videos to 'entertain' those who have awoken. I do believe that some people are paid to be on the Internet commenting on videos to confuse the casual viewer.. or to occupy the time of the person who is awake by making them respond to general crap.

Although I don't agree with the religious views of zeitgeist, the thing that I did like about the movie is that they presented something new.. something that made you (if just for a second) question the very core of your beliefs. That helps when you are first waking up. We are so programmed to see the world one way.. not just with religion, but also with society, money, jobs, education, etc. The standard model is pushed down our throats: finish high school, go to college, get a job for a company, work there for years, and retire. Parents, counselors, teachers, mentors.. all push the same agenda. The sad truth is that this doesn't work for most Americans so we all struggle to reach this goal most of our lives. When you question your beliefs though.. you can start to question everything. Like for me it's: why don't we learn to grow our own food? why don't we help each other build houses? why are 25% of the homeless veterans who risked their lives for us? why don't we help them? I'm not talking about the govt.. but why don't 'We the People' help each other out.. organize groups.

Okay.. sorry for the ramble.

[geoffrey b.]

the ideas are not new they are older than democracy..its called fabian socialism and this brand comes straight from the theosophist society, and lucis trust..those are the sources for all the material in zeitgeist..not by co-incidence lusis trust had to change their original name from lucifer trust to lucis trust. they are unabashed satan worshipers..who pretends not to believe in religion..try googleing madam blavatsky..the great hero of peter joseph the creator of zeitgeist..to get an idea of why this isnt new blavatsky was the hero of and inspiration for adolf hitler and from these same folks at lucis trust came up with his master race and final solution theories..so its not new its old real old and springs straight from carl marx the great communist hero..who was blavatskys hero its just been repackaged for the young who arent taught history any more go to take the zeitgeist challenge they have been posted free money tyo anyone who can prove zeitgeists claims to date no one has won a cent. oh the coat of arms for the theosophist society is a wolf in sheeps clothing ...need i say more

[Trudy]

It does, from the first frame, come across as propaganda. However, I do believe that, whatever you call them, there are powerful people running the world, at least the US, who have no allegiance to god or country or man. The lengths they go to to enrich and empower themselves are not obligated to any moral or ethical code, or anything other than their mutual interests. They own the media, and control the discussion, but so far they don't own the internet, so we still have a chance to overcome. We can do it, but we have to join together and put the pressure on Obama and Co. or they will be ruled by the current rulers. When Obama pledged allegiance to Israel, I knew he was not going to deliver unless we move en masse. The people who manipulated the process to put him in office are not going to be gentle with us though.

The religious aspect doesn't interest me. The rest is up to all of us. I don't believe people will have any interest in being reconditioned.

[geoffrey b.]

most that support zeitgeist, in my experience are nativists (meaning basicly throw off your clothes and run off into the woods and nature will take care of the problems kind of thing) they are disciples of Daniel Quinn who writes some very pretty books that completely misrepresents history and ecology but none the less has some valid points in some areas, but then applies these points to history using the dillingham flaw (comparing current events using past unrelated history to judge them) in so doing has planted the "they cant be part of the freedom movement unless their philosophy is fully embraced" kind of thing where they call names and say you cant be awake cuz you dont think like them ect. another major misleading thing about zeitgeist is that they hide the fact the video is based on the only religion allowed an office at the U.N. that little bald guy in ADDENDUM is called the Messiah at the U.N. and is the very religion that is being forwarded by the new world order, his resaerch is where they came up with the 500 million cap on population and in his honor that provision was placed on the Georgia Guide Stones. so the population reduction scheme that is being pursued by the world health organisation and world governance are the plan of the gentleman peter joseph (the creator of zeitgeist) is championing trying to co-opt the freedom movement from within, it is why he is so condescending in his video and why demonizing religion is so important to them, the real test comes when you attempt to talk of unity of purpose in opposing this push for world governance, they dont want unity they want you to bow to their philosophy first, if you would like you can see an exchange with one of their largest supporters and myself on youtube and as not to do self promotion if interested send me a pm and i will give you the link... now the second group are the national socialists and communist socialists they just want upheaval of our government so that they can rebuild over the broken pieces and the constitution prevents that and free governance prevents that, socialists believe that the state should own and control all resources so that they can hand out what THEY determine you should have, without dissent, I.E. CHINA now socialism is very noble in idea and if the idea were reality it would be the greatest governance there ever could be, but that has never been the case more poeple died in russia for socialism than all the wars put together in history, and there is till Mao, Pol Pot, Hitler, and that nut over in Korea Kim Jong Il but the total dead just from these is 300million no the tyrants and corrupt always end up at the top and people get added to the 300 million, so beware of people like peter joseph and any who say you cant be on the team cuz you dont believe as we do

[Andy]

I agree much distorts the history and ecology, I think that takes away their content validity

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[Andy]

Well the end is only a fantasy that we can not expect everything to be accurately adjusted to our reality is suddenly good daydream a little and not get out of the routine?

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[Beadbud5000]

I have watched and own both Zeitgeist DVD's. I found the second one kind of a let down.
People seem to be so easily bent toward arguing semantics or detail. The Zeitgeist movie attacks many at a core (religion) that shut many minds away from its basic message.
I am no expert in any of the detail about 9-11, banking or religion. I do see the overall issue as tied into the 'Manufacturing Consent' (Noam Chomsky) in the minds of your average person. There is no simplistic answer but there is a lot of courses of action and re-education currently occurring and yet to occur.
Anymore, I feel like I am just rambling!

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